In this episode, I interview Melissa Nedved, an educator of over 10 years who taught high school primarily in a virtual setting. As an active duty military spouse, she found moving from state to state made it really difficult to maintain employment, and she eventually started looking for roles outside of the classroom. We talk about all of the free military spouse resources she was able to find, her transition, and what it’s like for her now working as a project manager for an EdTech software company.
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Finding new employment as a military spouse
Daphne:
Hey Melissa, thank you so much for being here today.
Melissa:
Hi, Daphne. Thanks for having me. I’m excited.
Daphne:
I’d love to hear a little bit about your experience working in education, especially as someone who is an active duty military spouse, because there are a lot of challenges that really come with being both of those things at the same time. So do you mind just sharing a little bit about what your experience was?
Melissa:
Yeah, definitely. So I started out a little over 10 years ago as a high school math teacher actually teaching in this high school I attended in a small town in South Dakota for two years. I have two years of in-classroom experience, and then I got married to my now husband who is active duty, now Space Force, was Air Force. And we moved to Colorado and I actually just happened upon a Craigslist ad to be a virtual math teacher. We moved after the school year had started. I was in a weird position, what am I going to do? And I actually got hired on as a virtual math teacher for Colorado Online School. Worked there for six years.
In that time, we moved to Alabama as part of our duty stations and I kept that Colorado job for about a year and a half, then decided to transition to something more local. So then I worked for an Alabama school for a year, a little over two years. In that time, we moved out here where we are now, which is Central Coast California and was still working for them. The time zones made that challenging, but in November they actually had a bunch of layoffs and as being out of state, I was let go from my position with really no warning and found myself without a job in November living here in California.
Daphne:
And that’s one of the biggest challenges with active duty military, is that you can be moving from place to place to place and not many teaching licenses are going to be that easy to transfer over. Is that something that you hit a roadblock with a lot? Did you have to go back to school for some of the licenses when you were changing states?
Melissa:
Yeah, it definitely is something I think that’s commonly overlooked, but is a challenge when moving a lot. I never had to go back to classes, but I did have a South Dakota teaching certificate, a Colorado teaching certificate and an Alabama teaching certificate. I did have lots of states have reciprocity with other states, so I was able to, like I said, not take any more classes, but the paperwork alone can be really draining and figuring it all out. In Alabama, I know they were backed up months. This was in 2020, so of course the COVID shutdowns were going on and military spouses I guess had some amount of priority, but that part can be really frustrating.
Daphne:
And I know you would probably be paying the fees for all those different states as well?
Melissa:
They do have programs that help cover them. To be honest, that’s as much as I know, I didn’t use them. I think actually they started that after I got my Alabama, which is the last one that I obtained. So there is some programs and some help. Unfortunately, I’m not exactly sure what the logistics of all of that are.
Daphne:
Good to know for anyone who needs to research it a little bit more if they are planning on changing states. When you were bouncing back from a virtual setting to in-person classrooms, did you have a preference for one style versus the other?
Melissa:
Absolutely virtual classroom. I spent two years, it all I spent in brick and mortar before I got my first online gig. And when I listened to your podcasts and I hear from other transitioning teachers about a lot of the struggles, they’re not absent in virtual teaching, but they are a lot less in virtual teaching, classroom management being a huge one. Time commitment being another. So I did really enjoy that about the virtual setting. It did seem to be a little bit less time we had to spend at it every day and time draining, I guess. And then of course you’d have much less classroom management. So I loved the virtual setting in that respect.
Melissa explains what led her to transition out of the classroom
Daphne:
Did you find yourself really wanting to leave the classroom just 100% due to bouncing around from state to state and it being too frustrating or losing your job or had you been thinking this whole time or at a certain point in your career that it was time for you to make a long-term plan?
Melissa:
Yeah, some of both. I did try to transition in 2020, the summer of 2020, which was actually when I switched from the Colorado school to the Alabama. So one of the struggles with being a career or a military spouse is that even though I was virtual, those virtual schools still have in-state testing and professional development days. And my school in Colorado didn’t cover my travel, so I was still expected to go back four or five times a year, sometimes for four or five days in a row, and that was out of my own pocket. So I was losing money from what my salary should have been because I was having to do all of that. And the same was true when I was working for Alabama. They covered a part of my travel once I moved to California, but that was partially coming out of my pocket.
They paid some of my travel then, and there is still just a pretty big commitment to living in state. When I was transitioning from the Colorado school to the Alabama school in 2020, I actually made it to a final round interview for a professional learning development, something like that, for a big company where it was going to be some travel, but I was really excited. I really had my heart set on it. I thought I was going to get it. Honestly, I was pretty devastated. That was the first kind of experience I had like that because it’s so different than interviewing for a teaching position. And so at that point I was like, I’m really just looking for what’s next, what’s new? I liked the idea of having a place to grow and to climb. With teaching, if you don’t want to go admin, there’s really not a lot of growth and that’s something that I find really valuable.
It’s growing into a position, growing into leadership, advancing. And so that was kind of what first struck my eye about getting out of teaching, is being in a position where I could kind of see myself progress. Teaching seemed a little bit stagnant in that respect and that was ultimately why I transitioned as well in 2020 to the Alabama School, is because I worked for that school was of a big company and so I thought maybe I could eventually get into the corporate side of things. So that was kind of what first jump started. And then when I did lose my job in November of ’22, I told myself and my husband, I’m like, we have six months. I’m not even going to apply for my California teaching certificate. I knew if I applied for it and I started applying for teaching jobs, I would probably get one. That would be, it was a safety net, but it also was like if I don’t apply for a teaching certificate, I can’t apply to a teaching job when I get scared or nervous that this transition is hard and given, I guess in that way.
Daphne:
And that’s not something that every single person can do. It means that you had a safety net and reliable income, but there are so many people who have to use that same strategy because they know if I take another year in the classroom, even if this is my last year, I’m just going to be focused on that for an entire year and I’m going to push back this goal. So there are so many teachers that we talk to that just don’t sign that second year contract and then they go full steam September, October, November when it’s not as competitive for many of the same types of positions that teachers are applying to. And it is a risk. I can’t downplay that it’s a risk, but it does work for so many people also.
Melissa:
Yeah, it was definitely like that catalyst. And I really, to be honest, I knew and I told people, ultimately, this loss of job is going to be the best thing to happen to me career-wise. I knew it in my heart that I was going to use this to get out of teaching and into something that felt a lot better for me and a lot more comfortable and give me a better opportunity. I just had to get there and I didn’t know what that path was, but I knew the end. But we also had a plan. After this many months, we’re going to do this. This is how long we can sustain it this way. So we had to be realistic about it. It wasn’t something that could go on forever. But yeah, it definitely was the pressure that I needed to finally make the transition.
Melissa talks about how she honed in on a career path
Daphne:
So when you started looking for careers outside of the classroom, did you have a clear focus on what career you were interested in?
Melissa:
No. And not at all. I definitely took your quiz kind of to point me in the right direction at one point and that kind of led me to customer success, which is the way I thought I wanted to go for a while. I was reading a lot, taking in a lot of content, and I kept hearing this idea of you have to focus, take time, figure out what you want. Don’t do the just spray and pray method where you’re applying to anything. And I fought back on that idea so hard for so long. I was like, well, I will take anything. I am desperate. Despite not really being desperate, I was like, I could do anything. I just want a job.
And it really took me a couple of months to hear that advice and kind of really sit down and think about what I wanted to do. And that was what led me to a lot of these resources that I’ve now since found that are there to support military spouses. And one of them was, it’s called MySECO or Spouse’s Employment Career Opportunities and they offer career coaching and they did a Myers-Briggs and they did another career assessment that I was able to take all of that. And I kind of took all those resources, pulled them together, and that’s when I landed on project management ultimately as my path forward. But it definitely took a good two to three months to decide.
Daphne:
There are so many people that I feel like they hear the advice that people are giving them, especially like spray and pray. We have shouted from the mountaintops in Teacher Career Coach resources, like please do not. If you’re using the same resume for a customer success position and a project manager position and a training position and a curriculum writing position, you’re most likely, there’s always exceptions to the rule, but most likely you’re not standing out for a single one of those positions. And people are so resistant to it because they’re stressed out and it is hard and it’s challenging and it takes a little bit of extra effort, and why would you put extra effort in if there’s not guaranteed success with that extra effort when you are in this place of burnout? But from the perspective of someone who does review resumes, who does work in the hiring capacity, it is a lot better to put out 20 really excellent resumes fine-tuned to specific roles.
And you can do that in a way that if you pick a single role, then you can spray and pray that resume with some fine-tuned tweaks to it, but that’s going to be so much more effective than 50 resumes that are just kind of generic and you’re going to be frustrated by the end of it and you’re going to tell yourself it’s impossible or that that’s why, oh, no one’s hearing back for any interviews and there’s no reason for me to put effort in. But you’re just burning yourself out at the beginning stage of it if you’re not open to the part of the process that people are really shouting from the mountaintops, like I said.
Melissa:
I had some advice given by a mentor that said, she said this was later on in the journey, but first she asked to make sure we had some income and I wasn’t truly desperate, but then she said, “You are not desperate. You are picky. And you get to be picky. Figure out what it is that you want, hone in on that. Don’t just grab anything.” And so it’s just helpful to hear that I felt desperate because I had never been in a position where I didn’t have a job or a career. Once I decided when I was 18, I was going to be a teacher, that answered that question for over 15 years. And so when she was like, you’re not desperate, that was really helpful to hear because I was like, okay, that’s right. Take a breath and get my mind on straight that this is likely going to be where I head, and so let’s make sure we do it the right way.
Daphne:
And that desperation is felt on the other end as well, in messages that you may send to the hiring manager and interview questions, if you are really giving off that vibe of I will take any position, it doesn’t alleviate concerns because they’re like, this person hasn’t taken the time to even really understand this specific role, and once they are in this role, how do we know they’ll be in it for the long term?
Melissa:
Absolutely.
Daphne:
It’s like you’re courting someone for marriage, but then you’re in that first date with them and you’re like, “I date anyone.”
Melissa:
Yeah, exactly. Exactly, right. Yeah, it doesn’t read well read, and it was a mindset shift I had to get to and I think it does take time. So I read that early on too. Give yourself a little bit of time and really get your mind right on this idea.
Daphne:
And I’d love to hear a little bit more because with military spouses, there are a lot of challenges. There are a lot of roadblocks that you’re going to face. You’re probably specifically looking for remote work or flexible work that is going to be open to you relocating, but there’s also this network of support that’s very unique to military spouses. Do you mind sharing a little bit more about how you found the resources, what types of resources you really leaned into?
Melissa:
Yeah, definitely. So I remember at times my husband would email home bulletins that had been sent to him at his work or something, but I had no idea what was out there and I’d never even really thought to look. I truly kind of stumbled from one to the next to the next. But after I did secure my full-time job, I went back and reviewed, and I think I’m at 11 or 12 different resources that I used to help me secure this employment in different facets. So the first was actually, it’s called MySECO. I mentioned this earlier and it’s really the place I would recommend any military spouse who’s career searching or even looking for schooling options. I know they support that as well to start. And I truly stumbled upon it by applying for a job to be a career coach with MySECO. This was, again, in early on in the days of I didn’t know what I wanted to do and the job description sounded kind of cool.
And so I read the job description, applied for it, and then thought, well, I’m a military spouse. Maybe there’s some resources here I can use and created an account online, and they’re kind of a one-stop shop, at least for those initial steps. I had a career coach, I had resume rewriting. I had those personality tests completed. I met with her at least five or six different times over the course of a couple of months. I had practice interviews with them. I really started there. So that was very helpful for a jumping off point. They also did every few weeks they would email you a list of jobs that were posted for military spouses, preference to not fit your resume-ish, I will say. So that was very helpful. But that also then actually I think via a Facebook ad, I saw this Hiring Our Heroes fellowship opportunity for military spouses, and that’s by far the, I would say, the resource that I found the most helpful.
So that’s available to active duty military spouses and veteran military spouses and retired military spouses. So pretty wide net there. And they actually offer a twelve-week fellowship, if you get picked up by a company. And for active duty spouses, it’s actually covered by the DOD. For the others it’s through the Federal Chamber of Commerce that they pay for the spouse to work for this company for a twelve-week fellowship. And then that often ends in follow-on hire. So that’s actually the program that I used that helped me land the project management position I’m in now. So that was super, super helpful. But I’d also say I used a website called Candorful and they offer three free practice interviews for military spouses and those were incredibly helpful. I’ve done a lot of interviewing on and off over my professional career, but you don’t get feedback when you go to an interview.
So it was so cool to go and get feedback from these professionals and then even meet professionals in the industry. It wasn’t necessarily that I was interviewing with other project managers, but I met one of the vice presidents of Mars Candy Bars and we just chatted for the second half of my interview and I got to make a connection and he put me in touch with project managers that he worked with to grow my network and learn more about it. So definitely that was another very helpful. So I’ve got more, but that’s kind of a big starting point.
Daphne:
And those ones, people who are listening right now may have never evaluated a paid offer for career coaching before. One of the reasons why I started Teacher Career Coach and the way that we started to coach people through our course was because there were so many career coaches that were charging thousands of dollars and it was just not sustainable on a teacher’s salary to get that type of support. So having someone do all of the work that they’re doing is usually something that costs a lot of money. And obviously we don’t charge that much in our program. We’ve kept it as realistic as possible on the teacher’s salary, but that is such a huge benefit for military spouses and wanting them to really take advantage of that because that is a lot of effort on someone’s end, doing it at no cost to you.
Melissa shares the job challenges military spouses face and the resources that are out there to help
Melissa:
Definitely. Yeah, and they’re out there. I mean, so the unemployment rate for military spouses is 21%, and the underemployment rate is 55%, so, so high compared to our national average, compared to even veteran unemployment rate. And so I do think that we’re really trying to do something about that as a country and their resources are there, so use them if you qualify and use them in conjunction if you need to. There are other transitioning teachers, but of course it’s not focused on transitioning teachers like the Teacher Career Coach is. So kind of combining things can be really helpful to making it work for you.
Daphne:
Yeah, because there are going to be times where they’re like, oh, I don’t really understand what a teacher does. You’re going to have to explain to them and make sure that everything fits and works together. I’ve definitely had military spouses that went through the Teacher Career Coach course. Actually, the one that I’m thinking of top of head actually went into project management as well, which is a very strange surprise, but I remember she was telling me about being able to, I think she was able to almost intern at places and learn from them and also had a mentor program. So it’s probably something very similar.
And when I was working for Microsoft, I actually did some work for them where we had a coding camp specifically for children of active duty military so that they would be able to learn software engineering and different types of careers that would help them stay remote or work remotely if they continued to live with their parents. And also they had a program for the veterans when they were finished with the service, if they wanted to start to go into working into tech, there was programs specifically for them as well.
Melissa:
Definitely. Yeah, a lot of these resources are both veteran and military spouse friendly. I think historically we’ve been really focused on veteran employment and that’s incredibly helpful and important, as a military connected person myself, that’s something I feel very close to. And we’ve done a good job with that. Our veteran unemployment rate is very in line with the national unemployment rate. So I think now we’ve seen a little bit more of that shift. The struggles that a military spouse faces in employment are very different than the struggles that we think of when we think of veterans. Veterans are leaving a service, they’re likely going somewhere where they will be stationary, where they will just have to figure out how to apply their skill set. And I’m not underplaying that because that’s also a big struggle, but as a military spouse, especially for active duty, we are moving.
We are also often the primary caregivers if you have children and a family and so on top of maintaining employment, we’re doing all of these other things, and it’s repeated every few years often. And so it’s a whole different approach to helping military spouses than it is to what we think of in terms of helping our military families, which is veterans. I’m very grateful for the progress that’s been made as I’ve learned a lot more about military spouse employment as I’ve done this journey over the last 10 months or so.
Daphne:
Yeah, it sounds like there’s so many really great resources. I’d love to start talking a little bit more specifically about project management. When you were going through these programs and when you were talking to them about getting into project management, did they encourage you to take the PMP certification or did they really rely heavily on creating work experience and getting your foot in the door through networking?
Melissa:
Sure. Great question. So that has a lot of facets to it. Of course, when I first started with MySECO, so this was maybe a month into my transition journey, I thought about it then and like I said, definitely my career, my personality profile, all of the things really pointed there, and I remember my career coach mentioning that and I started looking into it. Another great resource that they have, it’s called the Institute of Veteran and Military Families and Onward to Opportunity, and they offer classes and certification. You can do it once for free for a variety of certifications, tech, HR, PMP and CAPM. And so my career coach with MySECO pointed me in that direction and suggested I applied to take the CAPM. In hindsight, I wish I had applied for the PMP because they do require three years of experience for the PMP, but I certainly had that in my 10 years of teaching experience.
I could have created that and I’ve learned a lot since. But that’s okay. I went with the certified associate in project management. So that was the 36-hour course. All of that was offered through Syracuse University, and then you had to pass three practice tests at an 80% or higher, and then they paid for your certification exam. So I just completed that in July and officially obtained my CAPM. So that was really helpful. So that was kind of like step one. And it was actually in watching a prerecorded webinar of five different project managers a lot in the defense industry, some that were show military, but for this Onward opportunity course that they were talking about what they did as project managers that I really was connected with it. I was like, this is it. This is where I want to be. This is what they’re talking about, that level of communication and organization, working with people, but not necessarily being their boss.
All of that really spoke to what I consider to be my skillset strengths, especially coming from virtual education where there’s a lot of that, but any teacher has. You can’t be a teacher and not have a lot of skills in the project management. So that was kind of my first step in that direction. Another huge resource for military spouses is you do get one year of LinkedIn premium for free, and every time you PCS or move, you can re-up that one year is what I’ve been told. So it was really through LinkedIn that, well, kind of twofold. So through LinkedIn that I had, I saw, I don’t know how it popped up on my, I don’t know, feed, but someone was hosting an AMA and asked me anything for product management, and I thought product management, that sounds like project management.
I’m interested. I kind of took the approach of like, I’m going to try everything so I don’t know what’s going to stick. But in the world of project management, I tuned down to where I wanted to be. I just was taking every opportunity I could get. So I attended this AMA and she had emailed out a little form, so I filled it out and she responded and said, I really think it sounds like you’re interested in project management. You’re still welcome to come to my AMA, but I might host another with my coworker who is a project manager. Would you be interested in attending? I was like, yes, absolutely. So I did go to her product management, learned very quickly throughout her presentation. They’re not the same and I was not interested in product management. It was starkly different to me and not my interest.
And then a week later, she hosted the second one with her coworker, who consequently is not my boss, that is the company I worked for, but he started talking about what he does as an ed tech company. And I was like, that’s so up my alley. The day-to-day just sounded very interesting to me, the path. And then shortly I went to this two-day virtual conference called Amplify put on by Hiring Our Heroes, again free for military spouses, all about kind of transitioning in the career world. And they really suggested this idea of an informational interview, and it was kind of the first I’d heard of it. And so I was fresh off of meeting these people in this AMA, really interested in what they had had to say. And I used that.
I was in the conference and I shot a LinkedIn message and said, “Hey, I really was interested in what you had to say. Would you be willing to have a little chat with me so I can learn more about project management in an EdTech company?” And so that’s what ultimately led me to my job and my fellowship. So to answer your question, in a very long fashion, yes, from all of these little picked areas of free resources the military spouses programs offered, I was definitely funneled into this idea of project management.
Daphne:
Yeah, I think so many people want to hear a very clear, “Yes, this is exactly what you should take. No, you can go ahead and skip that.” And many times, it’s not as black and white. There are things that I would absolutely say you can pass on, like you can pass on if people are telling you to send videos to hiring managers but not apply using a resume, or if people are trying to sell you a Canva template of a resume, please pass on both of those things. Your time is better spent doing something else or pass on the social Saturdays when you’re just connecting with all these transitioning teachers that don’t have clear paths or ways for you to differentiate who you know or don’t know on LinkedIn or how you ever connected with them.
That’s a pass for me. But when it comes to certification, okay, that may have not gotten you necessarily the job. They may have said, “Actually, we wouldn’t want paid for you to do that on the other end,” but would you have been able to interview as confidently if you had not taken some of these courses ahead of time? So sometimes the answer is just, it really depends on your bandwidth and people can recommend what are the best ways for you to utilize your time, but it’s not going to be a one size fits all answer, which is just so challenging for so many people to hear, and especially those on limited time because you made this your full-time job for a couple of months and not everybody has that luxury. So making sure you make a really good use of the limited time that you have and throwing away the rest of the stuff that’s not effective and just focusing on what is the most effective.
Melissa:
Yeah, absolutely. And speaking to the certificate, I think again, obviously not a one size fits all, but as someone who was transitioning, I do think the fact that at the time I didn’t have my actual cap ed yet, but I was studying for it. I had completed the coursework. I do think that that stood out in showing that I was serious about the transition, that I was really looking into. I wasn’t just throwing a dart at a wall. I wasn’t just spraying, praying. I was really narrowed down to that. So I do typically, when I talk to others who are looking to transition, I think it doesn’t hurt. And if you have, like you said, if you have the bandwidth, I think it’s really helpful.
Daphne:
Especially even just taking LinkedIn learning courses so that you have some advanced vocabulary and knowledge of the role can help alleviate those concerns.
Melissa:
Definitely agree.
Melissa discusses what she learned about herself through the transition process
Daphne:
As we’re wrapping up, I wanted to ask you, which is one of my favorite questions to ask former teachers, what did you learn about yourself during this process?
Melissa:
Yeah, I’ve been thinking about this, because I listen to your podcast and I had a feeling this question was coming, and I definitely have to agree with a lot of people say, “I learned that I can do it.” But even taking it further, I think in teaching, you just are a teacher. Like I said, unless you go admin, unless you really climb out of the box, there’s not a lot of career growth. And so the mindset is very different than in the corporate world where there is a lot of growth that can happen and a lot of learning. And so I really learned about myself that I can learn new things and do brand new things. I remember the first day at my fellowship, which turned into my full-time job, I just was like, I don’t know about that. I don’t have any idea.
And I got a little overwhelmed, and then I did after a week or two. I understood that piece of it and learned a new piece, and I’m learning so much new. And so I think just that idea that I can learn and grow and continue to do new things, that’s really different than teaching was because teaching was although different, especially being virtual, but a lot of the same. And I find that my job now is constantly growing and changing and causing me to grow and change, and I’m proud of myself for that. And it’s been really a fun journey to go on.
Daphne:
Such a valuable lesson. And I feel like it makes us learn more about ourselves and what makes us tick. I didn’t realize, I thought I was a weenie. I thought I was scared to do big things or make big changes, and then I realized, no, you feel really unhappy if you don’t get to try big things after five years or 10 years. If you just stayed stagnant, you would feel miserable. And that’s something I never would’ve learned if I didn’t actually go through some of the biggest challenges. I also love that you said in this podcast that you were very aware of me losing my job is going to be one of the best things that ever happened to me. And do you feel like that really came to fruition?
Melissa:
Oh, a hundred percent. I mean, I talk to my parents once a week and they ask, “How’s your job?” And it’s just always great. I really do love what I do. It really plays to my strengths. I have the best team. I mean, again, I worked remote. I’ve worked remote for 10 years, so it shouldn’t be that new. But just the level of autonomy I have, and trust. And I think education’s losing a lot of that for their teachers. And in my virtual jobs, I felt very stuck and very glued to my computer, even if I wasn’t busy or not trusted to really perform how I wanted to. I was really, here’s my rubric and here’s what I need, my observer needs to see.
And so it’s been eye-opening to feel honestly treated like an adult and to be given the freedom to operate in the way that we need to. And if I make a suggestion, my boss’s go-to is, “Yeah, let’s do it. Let’s make it happen.” And it’s been such an adjustment and I feel so validated and just this level of freedom and honestly pride that I often didn’t feel when I was teaching. I didn’t always know that it was missing until now I have it and I couldn’t be happier with that.
Daphne:
Well, congratulations because it’s a lot of hard work and a lot of grit that got you to where you’re at, and I’m just so happy that our paths crossed and that you came on here, especially because this is not my level of expertise or my area of expertise, and that we knew that there were so many people who are military spouses in our audience and we wanted to bring someone on, and you brought on so many great resources, and I just thank you so much for being here today.
Melissa:
Well, thank you for having me. Like I said, I really stumbled from one resource to the next when I was going through the transition, one of them being I didn’t even talk about, but so Hiring Our Heroes is the fellowship I use, but there’s also Hire Heroes USA, and I was using one resource thinking that you were the same. So again, I just want to spread awareness. I just want those out there who are in my position to not feel so alone. To not think that you’re in the struggle alone. Being a teacher is hard. Being a military spouse is hard, and so I’m hopeful that I can bring some amount of relief in that capacity and happy to continue to share my journey with anyone who’s interested because I think it’s just hopefully going to be helpful to someone else along the way.
Daphne:
Thank you so much.
Melissa:
Definitely. Thanks, Daphne.
Mentioned in the episode:
- Our career path quiz at www.teachercareercoach.com/quiz
- Explore the course that has helped thousands of teachers successfully transition out of the classroom and into new careers: The Teacher Career Coach Course (If you are a Teacher Career Coach Course member, you can also sign up for our one-on-one Career Clarity calls.)
